BTW, "serious conversation" implies "facts"...

The problem in having serious conversation with people who are 99% belief and 1% facts is that you aren't having a serious conversation at all...

Case in point: Restricting the "kinds" of guns you can own = restricting your right to own any guns???

That's right... That is a not a serious conversation because there is no truth in anyone advocating restricting the ownership of any guns...

No truth = no serious conversation...

B~