Well, first..Merry Christmas........next, I was going to answer Steve's post first...but before I do, is there anyone out there, from his 'position' that agrees with that post?..You are all fine with it?..and find all his points consistent with yours?

And Don, you are making SOME strides..you are now posting half truths..but that's a start.
YES, I agree that SOME predispositions come through the mother, during gestation..but it's still not genetic. Most homosexuality is BEHAVIORAL, and the 'predisposition' happens in their early years.

So, I noticed you were more 'impassioned' on your post...but, passion about an inaccuracy, may 'feel' like the truth, but passion based on an inaccurate 'opinion', is merely a 'passion based on an inaccurate 'opinion'....and can easily be a delusion....which, I laid out on my earlier post:

From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Dec 12 - 06:22 PM

"It means NOTHING to them..THEY DON'T CARE!
What they have done is taken a 'political' position, unsubstantiated by anything factual...and then resorted to how the FEEL about it...in other words, they have adopted delusion, as reality."

To have accurate understanding, BTW, does NOT mean the same thing as being 'homophobic'....especially if the accuracy is not in agreement with erroneous 'popular' opinion!!

As far as the 'treatment' you keep talking about..all I've ever said about it, is that, yes, it IS there, and should be available to those who want it. I don't think it should be DENIED, solely on the reason that promoters of a political agenda don't like it...or deny that it is there....nor do I support forcing anyone to get it...but it should be available.

As to your homosexual friends, we've talked about it before, and in light of that, I don't think you can be completely objective(being as you have friends, and there is an emotional reason not to be objective....fair enough?...I'm sure you've heard plenty of emotional rationalizations mixed with friendly exchanges...not the best place to work from, with one's objectivity intact....again, fair enough?

I, myself have had homosexual friends, that know EXACTLY what I'm/was talking about..and have NO problem with it....one, who taught me a LOT about sound engineering happens to be dead, due to AIDS..and his 'partner', Mark, died from the same, about 6 months prior to him!

As I mentioned before, the homosexual community WAS targeted, for the AIDS virus....so Akenaton's stats, and sources do not surprise me...even though we ALL know there are other ways to contract AIDS, why jump out into traffic when you know the risks??...and I mean ALL promiscuity!

OK, enough for now...I'm interested to see how many people agree with Steve on this one:......From: Steve Shaw
                        Date: 24 Dec 12 - 07:02 AM

GfS