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Thread #147391   Message #3458406
Posted By: Bill D
28-Dec-12 - 06:21 PM
Thread Name: BS: Alternative to Science??
Subject: RE: BS: Alternative to Science??
Ah, pete... I "got some theology" from many sources, including a college course on comparative religion. I have attended services in High Episcopalian church, Southern Baptist "Holy Roller" congregations, and Catholic Mass. I have driven cross-country with 7 Presbyterian ministers, discussing all sorts of religious ideas. This in addition to all those courses in logic & Philosophy where we dissected most ideas about theology as well as within theology.

What I have learned is that you must be careful how you state claims about religious concepts. You assert something about "God" that internally assumes what you wish to claim.."God does not live in our time/space /matter parameters but is eternal,spiritual,supernatural..., etc... is what is in question! You don't prove it by asserting it. (and it is not in the same logical category as clever conundrums about 'married bachelors'.)

As to errors in translation in older MS (and even outright intentionally alterations) one only need search Google for biblical translation errors. There are various sites...some by serious scholars who are actually Christians who want to know exactly what the basic MS said... and whether they disagree... as they sometimes do.

One random example http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_bibl.htm (Do note their explanation below about why 'forgeries' meant something entirely different in the centuries just after the Christian era began)

So, Pete...there is SO much to consider when trying to evaluate the myriad of ideas about creation and God/gods, and because there are dozens, if not hundreds, of variations thru human history, MY explorations in theology have led me to just be skeptical of all of them.
I can't prove them wrong... but the rule is, if proof is needed, it is the place of those who make the claim to provide the proof.....and... since certain things cannot be proved, they are just reduced to choosing one and belief in it. Then... *sigh*.. the debate turns to whether YOUR belief conflicts with HIS belief... and how to keep both--or all 637 sides-- from fighting about it.

It's all kinda complicated, huh?