Ah, I get it Keith. You are not opposed to gay marriage, you are just selflessly standing up for those who are, and you think it ought to be up to a popular vote. A hundred years ago, would you have been standing up for those who thought women shouldn't be able to vote? I confess that I don't know if the UK has anything like our Constitution that guarantees certain rights, but the thing about rights is that they are rights and shouldn't be subject to a vote. I ask again, when do we get to vote on which rights you get to have?

All of which begs the question of why you think you or anyone else should have anything to say about what other people are doing in bed. You can say that gay sex is legal all you want to, but as long as you support laws that discriminate against gay people, you are poking your nose into other peoples' sex lives and using the law of the land to do so. There is no conversation about homosexuals that isn't a conversation about what other people are doing in bed. There is no law about gay people that isn't a law about what people may or may not do in bed. Just out of curiosity, why stop with gay people? There's lots of groups of people you could try to make laws about. Have at it.

Oh, and speaking of straw men, one of your points seems to be: "You are being intolerant of people who want to be intolerant. This is Stalinism." First of all, no, it isn't Stalinism. That's a pretty dumb thing to say. Go read some history. Two, the logic is backwards. The same thing gets said over here a lot by Christians who feel discriminated against because the rest of us don't want them to pass laws enforcing their religion, not understanding that forcing other people to follow their dictates is the only discrimination going on. Think it through. That dog just won't hunt.

If you really want to have a moderated debate on the subject, we'll have to find a logic professor to be one of the moderators. You don't seem to have a very good innate grasp of the subject.