Civil partnerships are and always will be discriminatory. I said it at the time and every one I have been a guest at, (four or five I reckon) I have felt that one day I will be telling my Grandchildren one day about when in my living memory, people could have signs outside pubs saying no blacks, no dogs, no Irish. How some women had the word "obey" used at their marriage vows and how Gay people weren't even allowed to have marriage vows! Eventually, till reason overcame, there was a system of apartheid called civil partnership.

I see it as a stepping stone and events appear to bear that out. I also see bigotry being exposed both within religion and secular. I see how every politician who says we should strive for equality is waking up to what that simple statement means. I see religions having to yet again alter their understanding of their translations in order to appear somewhat relevant.

I also would like to yet again point out that the thread title, Gay marriage question, is a question for gay people to consider, usually about the time they want to get married.. I also would like to point out that we have European conventions and courts that will correct any political pandering to right wing idiots.

Most of all, I see that pointing out odious attitudes is seen as demonising apparently. I'm a fucking demon, that's what I am. zzzzzzzzzz

if you don't like being a bigot, stop speaking as one.