I decided against getting one but I am about to brave -30WC because I found the right one for me at Sobeys grocery store. $19.99 - $3.69 5# stew veggies pack - $1.29 12 pack picnic rolls - $5.00 stew beef = $11.61. Sounds like the perfect one for a cheap b****** like me. ANd, I'll keep the packaging and give it my cheaper relatives next Kissmeass. I might even wrap it in a plastic bag... no shit, that's what they did 4 years ago... "got it at the last minute and didn't have time to wrap it". Ahhhh, yeah!