Surprisingly enough I agree with most of what Liz says. But there is one sticking point -

The Solution to this HAS to come from The Men themselves....

The solution CANNOT come from 'men' alone it can only come from those in power, regardless of sex, colour or creed. What most people fail to realise is that we are ALL downtrodden by those who run the world - And that is not always politicians BTW, they are often just the mouthpieces.

I absolutely hate the way sex is used to sell product but while the powers are making enough money to stay there, that is how it will be. BTW - It is not just women that are seen as sex objects - Never seen the coke ads? Or the Levis ads? But I will admit that women are used far more. Mind you - how much of that is woman driven? I am always reminded of the Spice Girls in these discussions. Very little talent but mega-hype. Girl Power? Crap. Porn power maybe - but did anyone make themn do it?

Anyway - I know you are going to say that us ordinary people need to rise up and show the powers that we do not like it. But unfortunately there are enough people willing to fit into their demographic patterns and they will continue to pander to whatever sells their product. Sorry, but that is just a fact of life. At least it is at the moment. In time it will change. But it will be a slow process and no amount of screaming, shouting, wailing or hand-wringing will make it happen sooner. It is good old evolution that will do it in the end.

Cheers

DtG