thanks all...and maryrrf..I definitely would jump at the chance but I am using an old laptop as well..although I bought an interim refurbished old IBM...in the meantime was given an old laptop so didn't test out the old ibm which seems to be defective but i am past the warranty..plus the clunker was so heavy I dropped it and pieces fell off it..I think it is OK from that..but it was saying no video signal. So underlying problem is I don['t have a good enough computer to start with...time and quality are not huge problems...these will be given to children and money is the biggest consideration....