According to the Department of Justice, Donnuel, there are about 2,000 gang related murders a year. In Los Angeles and Chicago, they account for about half of the murders each year.National Gang Center Surveys. Most of those killings would have involved a gun.

To my mind, that is not "very small".

We are concerned here, at least according to BillD, with what are now called "Rampage Shootings", and which seem to occur about one every two weeks. USA Today Homicides and Mass Murders 2006-2010. The thing is, according to the USAToday numbers (which look to have come from "Mother Jones") there were 774 victims of Rampage murders during that time. According to the Justice Department, there were a bit more than 10,000 gang related murdered during that time.

So, anybody, which is the bigger problem? And before you answer, remember that the "race card" is already on the table.