Dave
"I am absolutely sure that Keith is trying to point out the some cultures - British Pakistanis in this case - are more prone to commit certain crimes than others."
There really is no need to make Keith's point for him – he has already made it abundantly clear himself.
"Don I do now " believe that all male Pakistani Muslims have a culturally implanted tendency" but only because of the testimony of all those knowledgeable people, and always acknowledging that only a tiny minority succumb."
No room for equivocation – his statement, his belief, and the driving force behind his crusade.
When challenged on this he has scurried behind a non-existent "expert" who, he claims, has inspired him to believe it HE HAS ENDLESSLY BEEN REQUESTED TO PRODUCE THOSE "EXPERTS" ALONG WITH THEIR QUOTE AND HAS TOTALLY FAILED TO DO SO. NO PUBLIC FIGURE WHO VALUED THEIR CAREER OR THEIR LIBERTY WOULD DARE MAKE SUCH A BLATENTLY INFLAMMATORY STATEMENT PUBLICLY – TO DO SO WOULD MEAN THE END OF ANY CAREER AND THEIR POSSIBLE PROCECUTION FOR INCITEMENT TO RACIAL HATRED .
In fact, all Keith's "experts" have said the opposite; that it would be dangerously irresponsible to draw any racial/cultural conclusions from the behaviour of these criminals – police, judges, politicians, social workers..... all involved in this problem.
The survey held last year made the point that there was far too little evidence to link these crimes with any particular racial/cultural group. Far from treating them as a racial/cultural issue, the North of England police stated that they failed to act on them because "they were consensual".
As Brian Creer pointed out regarding the Muslim youth who claimed he didn't realise what he had done was a crime, Keith carefully chose to select the public reaction to the case rather than what the judge actually said – that Muslim culture forbids sex before marriage.
"'It was made clear to you at the school you attended that having sexual relations with a woman before marriage was contrary to the precepts of Islam,' "
Far from these criminals obeying the dictates of their culture, they have stepped away from that culture in order to succumb to the "pressures of their testosterone" as Jack Straw put it.
This is not the first time Keith has doctored his cut-'n-pastes to make his point.
These are the crimes of a tiny minority of criminals from the British Muslim communities – they are not, as Keith (hopefully not you) claims distinctly biased "towards pimping, seduction and grooming by members of the British Pakistani demographic" – they are as old as "the oldest trade" and world-wide – if you believe otherwise, produce your evidence – Keith refuses to.
If my minority of less than 200 is not worth quoting, explain to me why the other 2,999,800 British Muslims, or 999,800 British Pakistanis are not indulging in underage sex and prostituting "white Girls" (does anybody else find the title of this thread as offensive as do?)
If we are to take Keith's long standing point as fact, where does that leave those of us who have had Pakistani/Asian neighbours – should we not turn our backs on them just in case their resistance to their "cultural implant" breaks down – are they the real "enemy within"?
Maybe all those brave young men who went out at night looking for "Pakis" to "bash" are to be praised for helping to clear make our streets safe for 'British womanhood to walk" rather than be vilified.
I am not joking here – if these arguments are to be taken seriously and these crimes are "culturally based then every British Pakistani, even every British Muslim, falls under suspicion of being a threat to underage girls – cultural degenerates in fact.
By the way; I find some of your own generalisations somewhat dubious, even downright offensive – I'm pleased you aren't "trying to say anything about either culture because of it" – would that others followed your example.
I suggest you fill in your own questionnaire as you are the one indulging in unresearched and unprovable generalities.
"and Liz, don't tar all men with the same brush"
Why on earth not – you appear to be quite happy to defend Keith's behaviour?
Jim Carroll
".....those mythical liberals you are so fond of hating is to expose the racism, homophobia and general misanthropy of you and your (fortunately) small cadre of adherents, and incidentally to prevent this forum being regarded as a suitable home for your ilk."
Amen to wot Don just said!