""But Keith, many here think it is wrong for Jews to defend themselves. We are supposed to go quietly to the gas chambers without any fuss.""

If you take a leaf out of Israel's book, provoke somebody until he punches you on the nose, then take out a gun and shoot him, that cannot be described, by any stretch of the imagination, as self defence.

Given the number of years that Israel has been doing exactly that, it seems strange that its apologists in the US and here still leap blindly to its defence, no matter how low it sinks.

Don T.