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Thread #28142   Message #348237
Posted By: Stewie
29-Nov-00 - 10:26 AM
Thread Name: Lyr Req: The Sheffield Grinder
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Sheffield Grinder
The text, under the title 'Tally i o the grinder', also appears with a tune in Roy Palmer (Ed) 'Poverty Knock' Cambridge University Press 1974, accompanied by an essay 'The Sheffield Outrages' from M. Walton 'Sheffield, Its Story and Its Achievements'. In his source notes, he indicates that his text is from A.L. Lloyd 'Folk Song in England' under the titles given by Malcolm - 'The Grinders' or 'The Saddle on the Right Horse'. In respect of the tune, he wrote:

'Tally i o the grinder' is a comic song about marital incompatibility, and its tune was obviously intended for our song. I have been unable to trace it, however, and I have used a version of the poaching song, 'Thorney Moor Woods', which has a similar metre (collected by E.J. Moeran 'Journal of the Folk Song Society, 7, p 14, adapted). [R.Palmer 'Poverty Knock' p63].

I recall the song from a Nick Jones, Tony Rose and Jon Raven record called 'Songs of a Changing World' - of which I still have a tape somewhere. Great stuff, but I don't think the album has made it to CD. As someone has pointed out - I don't recall where; it wasn't Palmer -the last stanza of this song is perhaps unique among English industrial folk song in that there is a suggestion that the worker may be partly responsible for his plight.

--Stewie.