Steve..You are a hard guy to agree with... I **do** think that any woman **should** be able to make her choices freely... but you didn't respond to my question about how your ideal situation might be achieved.

When I say I favor a practical step to get a bit closer to what we both seem to favor, you merely condemn any idea short of total agreement. Did you never hear the old saw: "50% of something is better than 100% of nothing."? I want an end to the system (at least here in the US) that allows rights that should not be messed with to be voted on and/or legislated by states, the Congress or the courts. In the meantime, we MUST be aware that there are Catholic doctors and deal with that reality.

About fallacies... your particular analogy is still fallacious, even IF 'some' have murmured silly things about the obese. It is perfectly possible to make a statement that is vaguely true, but arrive at it and use it in a fallacious way.