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Thread #149360   Message #3490133
Posted By: Jim Carroll
14-Mar-13 - 05:24 AM
Thread Name: BS: Israel condemned by UN
Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
"There is nothing more to be said Jim. It is history."
No Keith, any credibility you might once have had is history.
You are the first to mention "genocide" - what on earth has your (once again unlinked) cut-'n-paste got to do with anything except to link Israel to this and other slaughters "Israeli authorities or forces were directly or indirectly responsible in the massacres and other killings" - from your own keyboard!
Do you honestly expect us to believe that hospital staff treating victims at a massacre site didn't know or care enough to find out what was happening?
You dissed Ang Swee Chi's evidence as:
"It is not at all clear how much of that is hers.
It is only taken from a book cover.
Much has been added, and like your other quote is propaganda."
Where on earth did "book cover" come from? It was taken verbatim from a talk she gave.
You have carefully selected the most anodyne piece you can find.

Below are larger sections showing the fuller picture.
Your attitude to Seigal's testimony seems to vaccilate as the mood takes you – one minute she saw nothing, next minute she was on top of the hospital building and taking long walks, viewing it all
You have been given her statement about seeing the Israelis burying the bodies.
Contrary to your claims there are hundreds more accounts of this and other Israeli atrocities.
"There were lots of soldiers who spoke out and testified at the time."
Now you are openly lying again - you have rejected these statements as "unreliable" - if they don't contain facts implicating Israel, why not use them.
Your rejection of the evidence of traumatised Israeli soldiers is probably the lowest you have sunk - and that takes some doing
Jim Carroll

"The 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon killed over 30,000 civilians. The siege of Beirut lasted for 70 days, Beirut was subjected a relentless barrage of air, naval, and artillery bombardment. The Israeli bombardment was random and indiscriminate. Food, electricity and water supplies were cut off - over 500,000 people were driven from their homes. The IDF calculated that they had used some 960 tons of ammunition in trying to destroy the city."

"The US didn't honour its word and three weeks after the PLO evacuation they withdrew the multinational force giving the green light to Israel to invade West Beirut and massacre the Palestinians in the camps."
"The Israelis supervised the operation from their forward command post, a six story building overlooking the camps. From there they gave logistic support and relayed orders to the soldiers on the ground. Concerned that reports of the on-going slaughter would leak out, the soldiers were ordered to continue the killing through out the night - to facilitate this the Israelis lit up the sky with flares all night long. The idea was to kill as many Palestinians as quickly as possible, before international pressure would put a stop to the operation. Over 3000 elderly men, women and children were murdered. Next the evidence had to be buried quickly - so the Israelis send in bulldozers. Houses were packed with bodies and demolished to form mass graves. One such mass grave contained a thousand bodies."

"These are mass graves. You can see the tank tracks - they have just dug up shallow graves and buried all the bodies in the rubble. They have just bulldozed all the houses - actually if you have been watching the television its very much like Jenin [below] recently in Palestine, but on a bigger scale. About 3000 people were killed in those three days, and in this mass grave alone 1000 bodies were buried there."

"I walked towards the sports stadium. I had not found the strength to visit this area before. At sunset, it looked hideous. People had been killed here, people were buried here: I seemed to hear their voices echoing mournfully in the wasteland. This place had been pounded incessantly by Israeli aeroplanes during the siege. During the massacre, it was occupied by the Israelis, and the camp people told me that trucks of men, women and children were taken to the stadium by the Israelis, and many had 'disappeared'."