Somewhere much earlier in this thread, I suggested differentiating between the heaven and hell representing your hopes and fears and the heaven and hell representing the good cop bad cop of those who set out to control you.

And then some bugger comes and spoils it by bringing their construction of God into the debate. That of course winds up those who wish to debate without recourse to fantasy and so it goes. Even Godwinism from someone who should know better..

Me? I'm on the London Bus. Bemused to see the metaphor heaven and hell needing superstition attached before some people can begin to discuss it.

Heaven is as described by John Lennon when he imagined not believing in it and hell is finding out the insecure sheep were right after all....