""Apparently, you missed my post explaining the actual meaning of the concept as it relates to human "life" and discussing the concept's overall importance re the way one lives one's life, which has sweet fuck all to do with religion or any "child's play" carrot and stick crap.""

With respect Gnu, I didn't miss it, I disagreed with it.

What you, and several others, are doing is taking a specific pair of terms which are linked inextricably with 3000 years of organised population control by a process of fear versus reward.

It is playing with semantics to take those words and apply them to altogether unconnected concepts, simply because those concepts are what you may think of as either good, or bad.

You may be (in fact you are) correct in your assessment of those concepts as good or bad, and I would have no quarrel with the use of moral/immoral, or ethical/unethical, but heaven, or hell they absolutely are not.

If one accepts the existence of heaven and hell, as propounded by the Ancient Greeks and much more so by the Catholic Church, they would, by definition be so far exceeding just good or evil as to be beyond our capacity to imagine.

If you don't believe in them (as I don't), they are a simple controlling mechanism.

The bottom line for me is this. Depending on your belief, they are either too good, or not good enough to apply to the concepts expressed here.

I hope this is comprehensible, as I had considerable difficulty in figuring out why I felt as I do.

Don T.