well steve,the bible does describe certain people that so harden their hearts that they put themselves beyond repentance and the judgment of God confirms them in that state.of course we dont know who they are and dont give up.

don t thankyou for conceding that you posted a misleading,vulgar,crude voiceover link which was not a "debate",inadvertantly because you were to busy to check what you posted.nothing wrong with that i suppose.we all make mistakes.
pete.