"The issue here is whether you see no belief as a belief. "

The issue here is whether one is suffering from the delusion that in these discussions it is possible to have "no belief." Dawkins, your hero is not so arrogant as to say that he is free of beliefs. That he is absolutely on firm logical ground. He simply says that he BELIEVES that the probability of him being wrong is very small. He uses a joke by Douglas Adams to illustrate this.

The Dogma that Musket (or whichever of our more arrogant Mudcat Atheists happens to be speaking at the time) is a creature of logic while "believers" are bound by their beliefs has been thoroughly debunked in these threads. They have been shown to fall far short of "Spock-like" logic as Dawkins

The apparent fact that he clings to his delusion that he is talking logically is an indication of the power of the Dogma.

pete and Rob Naylor are having an adult conversation. They are exchanging information that they have gathered with the goal of enlightening and persuading. Perhaps you have information to contribute Musket. I think it would be much