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Thread #150086 Message #3502873
Posted By: Jack the Sailor
13-Apr-13 - 04:18 PM
Thread Name: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
Wow. I reposted "concerned's" first post to hopefully settle the brewing controversy as to where Marxism was introduced to the thread. I complimented her knowledge in recognizing that Marxism belongs in any serious discussion of the definition of atheists.
If I had been discussing whether or not "militant atheists" were common in the militant atheist thread I would have brought Marxists up. But I was trying to focus on de Waals point that new-atheists are dogmatic.
""Marxism and Atheism were related."
You might have added that Marx (taking his cue from Hegel I think) claimed that "religion is the opiate of the people""
Good point Jim. Marx was an atheist who was rude and insulting to religious people. I agree 100%.
"I would guess that there are far more non-Marxist atheists that there are Marxists"
Today, that is probably a good guess, unless you count China as Marxist. Certainly there are more self proclaimed atheists in China than anywhere. 30 years ago almost all of eastern Europe and Russia claimed to be Marxist atheist.
" rather an attempt to replace your non-case with smear tactics. "
Concerned brought it up. Take it up with her. I haven't exactly bent over backwards to prove the case. You proved that Marxism and atheism are related with your "opium of the people quote." It is not a controversial idea.
Concerned. I do not want to talk to you until you stop being rude. That does not mean I do not remember what you have said.