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Thread #150339   Message #3503207
Posted By: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
14-Apr-13 - 10:59 AM
Thread Name: BS: Who are the editors here?
Subject: RE: BS: Who are the editors here?
We'll have to settle for diagnosis then.

Ok. Let's be grown up. Been here before and you were the one reverting to form first. However..

As you think nobody can express a view similar to Dawkins without being his acolyte, we will stick to his headlines, just for you.   The God delusion. Delusion because he states there is no evidence either way in principle. When you start ascribing a God to a particular thesis, the evidence for gets thinner. Thinner because the God concept is man made and whilst we cannot be sure of a sentient purposeful force, we can be sure those living 2000 years ago hadn't better information than us.

Ergo putting flesh on the bones of a God concept can be no more than delusion. Shaping the delusion for a reason is how we got religion in the first place.

If it isn't any more than a delusion, it needs evidence. To date that has been a combination of claims of supernatural events such as miracles and giving a God credit for good things combined with glossing over the bad.

Sorry, can't convince myself beyond delusion.

And in reaching that I haven't taken the piss, called you seaman stains or shouted Hello Sailor! More importantly I haven't dismissed faith, just the silly unnecessary rationale used over the years to convince people to sign up.

If faith is good and strong, if it deserves a future, surely it doesn't need the angels, virgin births, conjuring tricks or physically impossible stories? What I see is theologians saying it is all metaphor but on the other hand, keep telling the masses it is all true.

Seems rather lame to me. So to answer your question regarding whether I am just saying I am not religious, I think that is self evident. To adk why I dismiss it in others, I don't. I dismiss it when it is put forward as an alternative to reality.

You said in introducing a thread recently that you have a "thesis" regarding anti religion being based on bad experience. That is an insult to the vast majority of people in your country and mine. It doesn't occur to you that many people would like to see shut of the malign influence of dogma and the effect it has on society? By saying it is based on scarring rather than reason you are insulting in a league I could never begin to join.

I take my hat off to you. I can only insult through having a laugh. You manage it by your actual views.

Oh. If you enjoy debate, why do you keep crying over violating terms, asking for censorship and telling people how to behave? it would sound better if you were reasonable but you can't even manage that.