"No, I am saying that de Waal and Dawkins are doing the same thing but De Waal is not being rude and Dawkins is"
Rude - oh dear!
Up to relatively recently religion held sway - it was part of our upbringing/brainwashing from the day we entered school - the Jesuits boasted of the lifelong effect they would have if given access to the mind of a child early enough.
It is an appalling fact that it has taken revelations of the widespread and long term rape of children for that grip to have been loosened.
Recently the slave-like conditions in the Magdalene Laundries has been added to the list of crimes against young people.
And you lot complain about "rude".
I notice you all have carefully avoided the warlike nature of militant sectarian religion.
Jim Carroll