I disagree with troll on quite a lot of things it seems, buity I think he is spot on here.

And Doug, I thought the last post I wrote was pretty clear, but I'll flesh it out.

That standard dictionary definition is a good definition of something that needs a good word. I don't like to see a word which has a whole lot of positive meanings for qualities that are shared across much of the politrucal sprectrum (though not across it all, sadly) being distorted and dragged into a political squabble like this.

Obviously there is room for disagreements about policies and political philosophies and such. But the qualities decribed in that definition I hope are ones which are common to people who disagree about a lot of politucal issues.

Surely any conservative minded person who shared those kind of qualities wold object to having the word used to apply to their political adversaries, either either as a compliment or an insult. Thefre are lots of more sopecific and accurate words to describe the duifferences you have.

Is there really anything in that dictionary definition which you would not wish to see applied to yourself?

Even when it comes to the (pol)definition, would you really unalterably opposed to "democratic reforms" and in favour of "preserving privilege"? I don't mean that there mightn't be room for a lot of disgreenment about what reforms were democratic, and about what sort of things counted as privilege. But what is all that rhetoric people spout in poltical campaigns and debates on bioth sides, if it isn't a claim to be in favour of proper democratic reforms and opposed to unjust privilege?

It's a bit as if people who were critical of "Do Gooders" had extended that into using "good" as an insult. I'd call that very dangerous indeed. It would directly feed into intolerance and hate and fanaticism.

You'd be inviting a situation where people on one side would be taking pride in being against "the good"; and everyone else would very reasonably feeling that people who are self-proclaimed enemies of "the good" have to be seen as enemies of humanity. Does that sound a bit famiiar?