Perhaps they have not even noticed that their intrepid captain, Mr. Shaw, has jumped overboard and is no longer defending the untenable position he asserted.

"Mr Shaw" has been in hospital undergoing major surgery, as it happens, and this is the first time he's switched on his laptop for over a week. "Mr Shaw" is not noted for jumping overboard.

And, Wacko, Ron doesn't read posts. The fact that you claim to have had a long association with him does absolutely nothing in my eyes to enhance the stature of either of you. I write good, clear English, and I've already, in good, clear English, tidied up the matter I raised with respect to female genital mutilation (not that I should have had to, but you know how these toothless wolves like to pounce). But Vexatious Ron wishes I hadn't done that. Vexatious Ron wishes I'd stuck to what he sees (wrongly, of course, but we are talking about Vexatious Ron here, aren't we?) as my prejudiced position. I'm sorry to have disappointed him so. The refutation of his silly position (and yours too, by association), is clear for all to see way up this thread somewhere. I refer you to same. I typed, you hunt. Me no parrot.