I am not among your in-crowd here. I see handles, and frankly, I don't know who you are, nor do I care to go digging to find out who the more offensive people are behind the pseudonyms. I see words spoken to me and to others here that I simply would not say to anyone I did not know or around people I do not know. I can be as salty in speech as the next guy, but I try to keep a civil tongue in my head and not to use the f-bomb among strangers. I certainly do not tell anyone to "go the fuck back to their home town", as you, SRS, told me to do.

I am disgusted to see what I believe is some of the worst Internet forum moderation going on here that I've ever seen. SRS, you are using language that would get you banned from any of the other music or lutherie forums on which I spend time. You are clearly too emotionally wrapped up in this thread to maintain civil discourse. I would suggest that you seriously consider ceding your post to a more level headed person or to someone who doesn't have what appears to be "skin in the game".

I dare say that I am many miles closer to the epicenter of this whole situation than 95% of the other folks posting here, and I dare say that I am also probably a lot closer in terms of who heard what from whom locally and closely connected to the source than 90% of you. I know that NONE of us want to believe any of this, and that goes for those whose hearts are mostly with the apparent victims as well as those whose admiration for Bob's musical ability makes it hard to believe that anything like this could be remotely possible. I know Gary Atkinson, Mary Christine, and Duck only by reputation; Lindley I know pretty well, and to a lesser degree but still personally, Suzy Thompson. I consider them all to be reputable sources of information as well as those I know here in Santa Cruz. So I think that the smoke has indicated fire.

And this is the last you'll read of me here unless and until more solid information comes forth. Time for me to get back to building some guitars and working out some of those chord melody parts on tenor uke for my band, "Uke Ellington"...