No, Steve, you're mixing the fundamentalist and progressive views, and they just don't coincide. Progressive Christians and Jews won't argue with science at all. They see the same processes scientists see, but they look in wonder at nature and see the presence of God within the processes scientists observe - not as an external force. And if others see the same thing and don't see the presence of God, that's fine, too. There are variations in this perspective - some see God both within and beyond nature and all the wonderful things we encounter in life. But in general, you won't find progressive Christians and Jews who see God as intervening or interrupting. They see God as acting through the laws of nature. I can't "dumb down" faith to make it satisfactory to you, Steve. People of faith are people who know God in their lives, in one way or another. People of faith are not necessarily stupid or inventing things or whatever you may claim. They just see things in a way that's different from the way you see them. I belong to a faith tradition that traces itself back over 3,000 years. It's a tradition that is very sacred and meaningful to me. If it's not meaningful to you, that's OK by me. But be careful when you try to refute it or denigrate it. It has a long history of wisdom behind it. And besides. trying to refute or denigrate it, is downright impolite.

-Joe-