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Thread #150892   Message #3518906
Posted By: Larry The Radio Guy
24-May-13 - 03:21 PM
Thread Name: CRTC Category of 'Folk or Folk Oriented'
Subject: RE: CRTC Category of 'Folk or Folk Oriented'
Thanks for your input, Howard.

It's those 'margin' that end up being so difficult....and I know that much of the music I play on my program is in those margins.

Here's a list of what I'm playing in my first 12 programs or so of my Top 200.

Some of it is clearly 'folk oriented'...Karen Dalton, Don McLean, Belle Starr, Leonard Cohen, Pete Seeger, Pentangle, Joni Mitchell, Buffy Sainte-Marie, Bud and Travis, Emmylou Harris (doing Wayfaring Stranger), Tom Rush, David Wiffen, Stan Rogers, Kate Campbell, Dave Van Ronk, Richard White, Nancy White.   Do you agree?

Others are clearly jazz or world....which is fine, as that is also Category 3 (non-pop music).

But a lot is very marginal. Where woulde we put Pearls Before Swine, Mickey Newbury, Paul Simon, Lonnie Johnson (singing and playing Summertime), Greg Garing, Michael Nesmith (singing "Texas Morning"), Randy Newman, Shel Silverstein, Chad Mitchell, etc.

So what percentage of this program should be category 3 (folk, folk oriented, world, jazz, classical) and what would be category 2 (pop, dance, contemporary country (50's or later)?

That's my dilemma. And if I can figure that out for my program, than I can give guidance to other programmers.

LARRY SAIDMAN'S TOP 200 ALBUMS OF ALL TIME

200. Karen Dalton: It's So Hard to Tell Who's Going to Love You The Best. (1969)
            song: In the Evenin' (trad).

199. Talking Heads 77.   (1977)
                 song: Tentative Decisions (David Byrne)

198: Tony Kosinec: The Passerby (1985)
              song: Listen to The Hukilau (Kosinec)

197.   Andrew Hill: Compulsion (1968)
            selection: Compulsion (part )

196. Pete Seeger: Carnegie Hall Concert (1963)
        song: Guantanamera (Josi Marti, Hector Angulo)

195. James Brown: I Got The Feeling    (1968)
        song: I Got the Feeling (J. Brown)

194.   Jake Holmes: The Above Ground Sound of Jake Holmes (1967)
               songs:   Dazed and Confused (Holmes), Penny's (Holmes)

193 Folk Implosion: One Part Lullaby (1999)
        song: Mechanical Man (Barlow, Louis, Davis)

192. Joni Mitchell: Ladies of the Canyon (1970
        Song: For Free (Mitchell)
191. Don Gibson: Touch the Morning (1973)
        Song: Sweet Dreams (Gibson)

190. Hensley's Electric Jazz Band & Synthetic Symphonette: Masters of Deceit (1969)
        Song: Shining (Hensley, Bagshaw)

189. Paul Butterfield Band: Better Days. (1973)
        Song: Please Send Me Someone to Love (Percy Mayfield)

188. Neil Young: Harvest (1972)
        Song: Are You Ready For the Country (Young)

187. Oingo Boingo: Only a Lad. (1981)
        song: Only a Lad (Danny Elfman)

186. Pete Wingfield: Breakfast Special (1975)
        Song: 18 With A bullet (Wingfield)

185. Patricia Barber: Nightclub (2001)
        song: You Don't Know Me (Cindy Walker, Eddy Arnold)

#184: Eugene McDaniels: Outlaw   (1970).
        Song: Sagittarius Red (McDaniels)      

#183. Michael Nesmith & The First National Band: Nevada Fighter. (1971)
        song: Texas Morning (Michael Murphy)

#182 Jackie DeShannon: Laurel Canyon.   (1968)
        song: The Weight (R. Robinson).

#181: Sum1: Islands with Beautiful Names (1995)
        song: Definition(Part)/Columbus (Dana Frauzel)        

#180: Bud and Travis: Latin Album   (1965)
song: Malaguena Salerosa (trad).

#179: Prince: Purple Rain (1984)
song:Darling Nikki

#178: Thelonius Monk: Straight No Chaser. (1966)
        Song: Straight No Chaser

#177: Dave Edmunds: Repeat when Necessary (1979)
        songs: Crawling from The Wreckage(Graham Parker), Queen of Hearts (Hank DeVito)

#176. Greg Garing: Alone    (1987)
        song: Alone (Garing, Andrea Kirsten)

#175. Danny Kaye: Danny Kaye (1942)
        song: Dinah. (Lewis, Young, Akst).

#174   Randy Newman: Good Old Boys. (1974)
        Song: Marie (Newman).

#173. Buffy Sainte Marie: It's My Way    (1964)
        Song: It's My Way (Sainte-Marie)

#172.Dan Mangan:Nice Nice Very Nice. (2010)
        Song: Tina's Glorious Comeback.

#171. Tim Buckley: StarSailor (1970)
        song: Monterey (Larry Beckett, Tim Buckley)

#170.Nellie Lutcher:Our New Nellie.(1956).
        Song: You Made Me Love You. (James V. Monaco, Joseph McCarthy)

#169. The Zombies: Begin Here (1965)
        songs: She's Not There (Rod Argent)/I Remember When I Loved Her (Argent).

#168.   Shel Silverstein: Songs and Stories. (1978)
        Song: Scum of The Earth.

#167. Emmylou Harris: Roses in the Snow (1980)
        song: Wayfaring Stranger.
        
#166. David Wiffen: Coast to Coast Fever. (1972)
Song: Skybound Station

#165. Stan Rogers: Fogerty's Cove (1976).
Song: Make and Break Harbour

#164. Tom Rush:   Self Titled. (1970, Columbia).
Song: Old Man's Song (Murray McLaughlin).

#163. Eurythmics: Touch (1983)
        Song: Here Comes the Rain Again

#162. Tal Farlow and Lenny Breau: Chance Meeting. (1980/1987)
Song: My Foolish Heart.

#161. The Eels:   Souljacker (2001)
        Songs: Bus Stop Boxer / That's Not Really Funny

#160.   John Anderson: Seminole Wind (1992)
        song: Straight Tequila Night

#159. Darius Milhaud: MIlhaud Plays Milhaud (1956)
La Sur de la toit. (Nothing Doing Bar). (composed 1920).

#158. Tom T. Hall: In Search of a Song.(1971)
Song: WHO'S GONNA FEED THEM HOGS.

#157. Sly & The Family Stone: Stand(1969) .   
song:I WANT TO TAKE YOU HIGHER

# 156 Randy Newman: (1981)   Ragtime (soundtrack)
Song: RAGTIME/ONE MORE HOUR (Jennifer Warnes)
   
#155. Quicksilver Messenger Service: Happy Trails. (1968)
Song: MONA/MAIDEN OF THE CANCER MOON/CALVARY.

# 154. Carole King: Tapestry (1971).
song: IT'S TOO LATE. 3:54

#153. . Mickey Newbury: Blue to This Day (2003)   
song: HELP ME SON


extra song.   Mrs. Linda---Nancy White (from Unexpected, 1983. 3:04.


# 152. The Rivingtons: Doin' the Bird. (1962)
        Songs: MAMA OOM MOW MOW/PAPA OOM MOW MOW


# 151. . LAMBCHOP: What Another Man Spills. (1998)
Song: INTERRUPTED.

150. Stan Getz and Charlie Byrd:   (1962)   
song: SAMBA TRISTE.

Extra song: Richard White: Ladies and Gentlemen. (1983) Song: AUTUMN IN PARIS.

149. Michael Nesmith: Tropical Campfires (1994).
Song: FOR THE ISLAND

148. Kate Campbell: Visions of Plenty (1988)).
Songs: BOWLORAMA/CRAZY IN ALABAMA

#147. Patti Smith: Horses (Dec/1975).
Song: IN EXCELSIS DEO/GLORIA   

146. Dave Van Ronk: Songs for Aging Children (1973)
Songs: I WANNA GO BACK TO MY LITTLE GRASS SHACK/GREEN ROCKY ROAD.   

145. Sarah Vaughan: After Hours (1960.
SONG: SOPHISTICATED LADY./ EVERYTIME WE SAY GOODBYE

144. Dire Straits: Making Movies. \
Song: ROMEO AND JULIET.

143. Mac Wiseman: Songs that Made the Jukebox Famous.(1980)
Song: IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE NOW/I WONDER HOW THE OLD FOLKS ARE AT HOME

142. Billy Joe Shaver (w. Eddie Shaver).
Song: I'VE BEEN TO GEORGIA ON A FAST TRAIN/OLD CHUNK OF COAL.

Extra song (Canadian addition:   Joe Hall:Volume Five Number Two.(1976)   
Song: PREPARING TO BEGIN. 4:31.

141. Chad Mitchell: Himself (1966)
song: MARIEKE/HALF A CROWN.

140. Patti Smith: Wave (1979)
song: WAVE (4:36).

139. Geoff and Maria Muldaur: Pottery Pie. (1968).
SONGS: NEW ORLEANS HOPSCOP BLUES /GUIDE ME O GREAT JEHOVAH

138. Bela Fleck and The Flecktones (w. Victor Wooton):Three Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.
SONG: MONKEY SEE./VIX 9

137. Gordon Lightfoot: Sit Down Young Stranger.
SONG: APPROACHING LAVENDER/ME AND BOBBY MCGEE

136. Mary Chapin Carpenter: Stones in the Road.
Song: WHY WALK WHEN YOU CAN FLY.

extra song. Lonnie Johnson: The Complete Folkways Collection (1967). Song: SUMMERTIME. 2:

135. King Crimson: Court of the Crimson King (1969)
song: EPITAPH

134. Paul Simon: There Goes Rhymin' Simon (1973)
song: SOMETHING SO RIGHT.

133. Eugene McDaniels: Screams and Whispers.
        Song: NUCLEAR DANCING

132. Jennifer Warnes: Famous Blue Raincoat
song: FIRST WE TAKE MANHATTAN

131.   Shpil Es Nokh a Mal: Orkestre Klezmer Volume 2
SONGS: ONGA BUCHARESTI 2:20 /7 BEAT MACEDONIAN. 2:24.

130. The Pentangle: Sweet Child (double lp, 1968.
song: HOLE IN THE COAL.5:20

129. Eric Burdon and the Animals: Winds of Change
song: PAINT IT BLACK 6:00

128. Nick Lowe: Pure Pop for Now People.
Songs: MARIE PROVOST 2:42. /I LOVE THE SOUND OF BREAKING GLASS. 2:51.

127. Pearls Before Swine: Beautiful Lies You Could Live In.(1971)   
SONG: A LIFE 2:55.

126.   ELECTRONIC MUSIC. (1967?),
SELECTION: VISAGE. Mimaroglu/Cathy Berberian

Extra song: (Canadian) BELLE STARR:The Burning Of Atlanta.
Song: SUMMERLEA(Fred Eaglesmith) 3:54


125. Leonard Cohen: Songs of Leonard Cohen.
        Song: SISTERS OF MERCY

124. Elvis Presley: Elvis Presley (1st lp w. some tracks from Sun Sessions).
        Songs: I'M COUNTING ON YOU/TRYIN' TO GET TO YOU.

123. Ilya: Somerset
        Song. AND STILL YOU CAN"T SAY NO.

Extra.   David Ackles: EVERYBODY HAS A STORY (From Five and Dime).

122. Don MacLean: Tapestry
        Song: THREE FLIGHTS UP.

121. Mickey Newbury: Lovers. Song: APPLES DIPPED IN CANDY.

120. Khada Cherif Hadria: Diri Kitabri (1995) song: DAHAOUTATOU 4:39