pete sez you can't see evolution because it's in the past. But every piece of information that ever swelled human knowledge was, in some sense, in the past. If I'd made some new observation of the flower structure of an orchid last Sunday, it's in the past. The evidence for evolution includes fossil lineages leading us to common ancestry, of physiological and biochemical links, radio-isotope dating, comparative anatomy and development and our ever-burgeoning understanding of how genetics works. In every case we stand on the shoulders of giants. In many cases, dead ones. From the past. Now pete can't see evolution because he thinks it's in the past. Yet he'll hang on every word of chaps of tendentious intent who lived 2000 years ago. The Famous Four of those chaps told us all about Jesus, yet they were about as close to Jesus in time as I am to Queen Victoria. They are in the remote past, yet pete believes their every word. Jesus was in their remote past (demonstrated by howling inconsistencies in their hand-me-down accounts of him). How much more "past" can you get? So wassup, pete?