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First Bobad

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Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: bobad - PM
Date: 25 May 13 - 06:53 PM

So, you think that the root cause of Islamist Jihadism is Israel and the West's interference in Islamic countries, well think again:

The ambassador answered us that [their right] was founded on the Laws of the Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.

The above passage is not a reference to a declaration by al Qaeda or some Iranian fatwa. They are the words of Thomas Jefferson, then the U.S. ambassador to France, reporting to Secretary of State John Jay a conversation he'd had with Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja, Tripoli's envoy to London, in 1786 -- more than two and a quarter centuries ago.

That is before al Qaeda and the Taliban, before the creation of Israel or the Arab-Israeli conflict, before Khomeini, before Saudi Arabia, before drones, before most Americans even knew what jihad or Islam was, and, most importantly, well before the United States had engaged in a single military incursion overseas or even had an established foreign policy."

Now look at the translation I gave you, from a Koranic source: my words: -

"From: Richard Bridge - PM
Date: 28 May 13 - 03:52 AM

The nearest I can find is "And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful."

This is really fairly unlike Bobad's alleged quote of "The ambassador answered us that [their right] was founded on the Laws of the Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise."



If you look, the words quoted by Thomas Jefferson (or allegedly so) as NOT the same as the relevant words of the Koran (the source for which I have also given above). In short, they are a misquote. You said they were accurate. They are not. In short, Don was (remarkably) quite right on this occasion.