Are you suggesting it is not the nutters but the religion that is the cause of these crimes - if this is the case, why is it not true of Christians, or don't they commit hate crimes? If this is your belief, your argument is no different than Keith's "cultural implant" statement, which leads us to the conclusion that no practicing Muslim can be trusted. Try some more Bible hate for size - plenty more where that came from. http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm Jim Carrroll