I'm still not sure if the issue in these interesting but ultimately dead threads is atheism or a perceived lack of respect for religions that seem to need respect in order to survive.

It was brought home to me the other week in Leeds. I was walking down The Headrow near The Town Hall and came to a road junction. There was a young man in a white shirt and Paisley tie, very respectable looking, shouting the love of God as the only salvation and handing out leaflets. I got one thrust in my hand and before binning it noticed it wasn't some loony small cult but a big one, the leaflets were printed by the diocese.

Fair enough.

In front of me was a small elderly lady and what turned out to be her daughter. The man thrust a leaflet at her and she tried not to take it but rather than it fall on the floor she took it and as she put it in the convenient bin I used, turned to her daughter and said " Chuffing GodBotherers. Council should do something about them." Her daughter said that wasn't a Christian attitude. She said that she hoped she had raised her to know better than that. Making idiots look normal doesn't help them.

A good example of the difference between having a stance and seeing a stance as irrelevant to them.