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Thread #150885   Message #3521269
Posted By: Jim Carroll
31-May-13 - 03:32 PM
Thread Name: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, (London-May 2013)
Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
"I am obviously suffering from non-understandable syndrome"
You obviously are suffering from something.
What is under attack here are cultural communities' beliefs which, some people are claiming, make them commit acts of terror.

Dictionary definition.
Religion (ri-Hjan, ra-) n. Abbr. rel., relig.
I.The expression man's belief in and reverence for a superhuman power or power regarded as creating or governing the universe. 2. Any personal or institutionalised system of beliefs or practices embodying this belief or reverence: the Hindu religion.
3. The spiritual or emotional attitude of one who recognises the existence of a superhuman power : - powers.
4. Any objective pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion: A collector might make a religion of his hobby.
5. The monastic way of life. 6. Archaic. Sacred rites or practices. [Middle English religioun, from Old French religion, from Latin religio (stem n gion-), bond between man and the gods, perhaps from religare, bind back : re-, back + ligare, to bind, fasten

The church has a totally different definition and I agree entirely with you about their role in clerical abuse.

Keith
I should really read your own links if I were you.
"There are believed to be at least 3,000 people on MI5's database of extremist suspects."
Nowhere does it specify who or what these "extremist suspects" are.
Those taking a leading part in the Tottenham riots will be on the list.
Left and right wing extremists involved in militant activities, such as 'White Pride' who were organising attacks on Asian communities following the underage sex trials will be on the list.
Those who organise football violence will be on the list.
Those who organise mass protest demonstrations will be on the list.
Those organising the present demonstrations after the Woolwich killing, including those suspected of the attacks on mosques will be on the list.
As I have pointed out Jonathon Evans made his main issue in his speech on terrorism the then recent upsurge in IRA activity, so they will be on the list.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/8008252/Jonathan-Evans-terrorism-speech.html
Evans also makes an issue of spying in his speech; potential spies will be on his list.
Anybody directly associating with terrorist suspects, knowingly or unknowingly will be included, as will any relatives of suspects (of any persuasion) or anybody visiting world trouble spots.
What determines "national security" is, and always has been a catch-all phrase – it included your old friend Jack Straw at one time
Nowhere in either of your links is there any indication of who or how many of this figure are Islamists, Asians, Irish...... whatever
From the beginning you have claimed this figure as referring solely to those belonging to Muslim communities – and it is this that makes you the racist bigot you are.
Jim Carroll