""So they had better not lump you & me together too readily for a start had they?""

I'm sorry that you felt patronised Mike. That was not my intent.

However, my point also stands!

Absent the belief in a deity, those formalities are simply irrelevant.

What is wrong, in your opinion, with that statement which, as far as I can see, has the cart and horse in the correct relationship.

Don T.