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Thread #151015   Message #3522814
Posted By: Steve Shaw
04-Jun-13 - 07:39 PM
Thread Name: BS: Can all Athiests be lumped together?
Subject: RE: BS: Can all Athiests be lumped together?
You know, I'm a very simple man. Actually, I'm a very simple man who's been trying to get his bloody garden under control all day after an enforced layoff of nearly six weeks. So I come back here (must dash actually - I have a huge pan of ragu on the go...) and I find that the usual suspects are having a go at me because I stated the bleedin' obvious, and in very neutral terms too, I might add. So yertis again, the offending statement:

...a considerable amount of thought has led to the conclusion that a deity who breaks every known law and who is far more complicated and inexplicable than the stuff he's supposed to explain doesn't make sense.

Now I'm a very patient man (as well as simple), even in the face of mindless and splenetic attacks from the likes of Wacko and Little Hawk, so here, boringly, is a little breakdown of that horridly offensive statement:

"considerable amount of thought"...I've weighed up the evidence both for and against the existence of God. Honest I have. I've stated it so many times...

"A deity that breaks every known law..." Well, unlike every other entity known to man, God is eternal, no beginning, no end. He was never created. He is so all-pervasive that he sees everything in the whole massive universe that goes on, on billions of planets going round billions of stars in billions of galaxies (quite possibly, in billions of universes). That's pretty clever. And pretty impossible, given the laws of physics we know about.

"far more complicated"...well, he could hardly be a simpleton if he not only created everything in those billions of galaxies and can keep an eye on it all at the same time. You don't get that level of achievement in amoeba-like blobs, even great big ones!

"more inexplicable than the stuff he's supposed to explain"...well, the universe is a complicated place, what with evolution, quantum physics, dark matter and all that other stuff I've heard of but can't get my poor head round. And just look at the amazing complexity, diversity and beauty of life on Earth, and imagine that it could, for all we know, be replicated on a hundred billion planets. I love the idea that human resourcefulness and curiosity, via the process of science (very important, as science requires real evidence), can close in inexorably on all this stuff. Wonderful. What I don't find anything like as wonderful is a "solution" to everything that itself can't be explained and never will be. This God chap must be incredibly complicated, far more complicated than all the stuff he's supposed to have created. It wouldn't be half so bad had he ever shown his face, but he hasn't. If anyone can tell me how someone so incredibly inexplicable can actually be the explanation of anything at all, please let me know.