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Thread #151015   Message #3523219
Posted By: Steve Shaw
05-Jun-13 - 07:20 PM
Thread Name: BS: Can all Athiests be lumped together?
Subject: RE: BS: Can all Athiests be lumped together?
So, and do you know any "average monks" personally? I'm afraid most wouldn't fit your stereotype.

"Stereotype"? Hmm. Sorry to shatter your resort to superior and safe knowledge, but yes I have. You forget that I was raised Catholic, educated (for want of a better word) in a school dominated by priests and brothers of the Salesian persuasion, married in a Catholic church and taught in a Catholic school for years in east London. During my seven years there the two head teachers were a monk and a nun respectively, and there were plenty more of both on the staff. I actually did rather well there. I even taught religious education for a while there and took Catholic assemblies. I do not speak from ignorance exactly, Joe. I found a good degree of pragmatism and willingness to bend rules in many of the holy people I encountered (including, on one occasion, the Archbishop of Westminster, not to speak of the Bishop of Stepney), and all power to their elbows for that. We were in the East End, after all, the most deprived part of England, where Catholic bullshit didn't exactly go down well. But, without exception, they did not question Catholic doctrine. Not one, none of them, ever. They had been told what to believe by their authoritarian church and they bloody well stuck to it - not only that, they propagated their doctrine in equally authoritarian mode to those in their charge. That did not prevent many of them from doing many a good deed. But that is not the argument you seek to counteract. I have told you these things before. I am not some atheistic-from-birth numptie that you can talk down to. Please be disabused.