"So provide him with some evidence to convince him that there IS a God then, Jack! "

Sorry to say this Shimrod, But I opened my involvement in these discussions on the Mudcat years ago by saying that I had been an atheist for many year and have experienced these arguments from both sides and that I am quite confident that it is impossible to prove or disprove the existence of God. I have said that here since to Steve Shaw certainly. But don't take my word for it. It is predictable conclusion based on the basic ground rules of Logic and Science. Bill D has said as much So has Richard Dawkins. Bill is much more polite about it. But as you may already know, Steve has a tendency to dismiss and ignore inconvenient things said to him in a discussion. But for Steve to say, as an argument to others that there is no God because HE has looked into it and decided that there isn't one is really the last straw for me. That is so illogical, so far from any pretense of science or clear thinking, that I cannot consider anything he says about any subject other than his personal live and mouth organs with any degree of seriousness.

And Shimrod while you may think it amusing to watch me dash myself against the stormy rocks of Steve Shaw stubborness, I am more inclined to let him work out his illogical self-delusions for himself.