"saturation of Rise Up Singing".    Amen.

And what that is causing is:    those of us in the US who actually believe in learning songs are boycotting groups known to have Rise Up Singing books used,   We form our own groups and have our own gatherings (invitation only).

Not precisely the ideal inclusive "folk attitude", but life is too short to suffer bad music--and that's what use of Rise Up Singing at singing sesssions causes.

I'm really to sorry to hear about those conditions in Cleveland, but Joanne you might want to see if you can make it out to the Getaway some year--you won't have the RUS problem.