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Thread #151015   Message #3524597
Posted By: Steve Shaw
09-Jun-13 - 08:13 PM
Thread Name: BS: Can all Athiests be lumped together?
Subject: RE: BS: Can all Athiests be lumped together?
as usual we get this "where does God come from then" challenge.
i have answered this before but the challenger is not wanting to know the answer anyway.


Believe me, I really do want to hear an answer. And believe me, you have never answered it before.

at the very least positing a Creator is a logical premise to account for all that is.

You have an endearingly wacky view of what constitutes logic.

"The world is a wonderful and diverse place."
There is much we have yet to understand about this wonderful diversity."
"Therefore I propose the most outlandish and impossible explanation: that an infinite, all-powerful being who no-one has either seen or seen any sign of, and who breaks every law of nature, must have created it all."

Not exactly Mr Spock, are you now?

what is illogical,and as yet without scientific evidence of any kind is the notion of first matter,time and space and first life arising from such.

Au contraire. There is a good deal of solid evidence for the origin of matter and space-time and there is a reasonable hypothesis about the origin of life that requires no shifting of any of the laws of nature. We may have gaps in our knowledge, but we do have knowledge supported by evidence, whereas all you have is a crackpot notion that you can't support. And you call us illogical.

only the apriori presupposition of there not being a creator can account for such faith in everything from nothing by no-one belief IMO.

Meaningless drivel.

Positing that "science" will close in on the answers they hope for just demonstrates their faith position.

Pray tell us why, by putting "science" in speech marks, you insult the whole of the scientific community, who unlike you, the laziest bastard on this forum by a country mile, work hard in the quest for truth. And, as you have oft been told, science holds no "faith positions". There is no place for faith in scientific endeavour, just a very sceptical and critical search for truth. And I note your pathetic, Wacko-driven bleating about other people's bad manners. Ironic, innit, that you can whinge about that whilst routinely ignoring, eyes tight shut, everything that people say to you, write your posts in insultingly-awful English and, last but not least, sit there on your scientifically-devised laptop typing messages that insult every scientist in the world.