That was a very well written post of 4:31. I hope you take it as a compliment that I consider my agreement to be the last word on this thread.

Joe, You can close this thread if you please, as far as I am concerned, As LH pointed out, it really has descended into serious personal abuse. and the Militant Atheist one as well, so I won't complain if you close it. but if you do, please give Mr. Shaw and Mr. Mather each a chance to have a last word.

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I'm not in the thread-closing department any more. I do music editing and registration and tech help. But we never have closed threads simply because they've become boring or a little ornery. And we don't close threads at the originator's request. Once a thread is begun, it is the property of the community.
-Joe-