Jim, sorry, I know your intentions are good but you really seem to be submitting some awful arguments. Whether I agree with Keith and Michael is irrelevant. In fact, from my point of view, there are some things they say make sense and some don't.

Your post, above, is a prime example. If I was to say "Jim, I now believe that the moon landings were faked" that would be my opinion, but it is based on evidence, albeit flawed. When Keith said "Don, I now believe..." it was his opinion but he has provided enough evidence to show that his opinion is valid. I would need more before I drew his conclusion and so would you but that does not detract from the fact that Keith has weighed the evidence he has and made up his own mind. It is not simply his own opinion and it is far better than just hurling insults and abuse.

You are also blurring the issue by arguing on one hand about a cultural or ethnic group (British Pakistanis) and a religious group (Moslems) on the other. Although I expect a majority of Pakistanis to follow that particular religion they do not all do so. And not all Moslems are Pakistanis - Far from it! By speaking of the groups in the same terms you are displaying one of the facets of the worse kind of Racism - They are all look the same to me :-(

Cheers

DtG