You're talking rather unfocussed bollocks there, Ron. By the way, there is only one way an atheist can assert certainty on this question, and that is by saying that God does not exist. Show me one atheist on this thread that has made that assertion and I promise to give him or her a personal public big bollocking from me. Nah. Let's face it. Certainty over this issue resides solely in the realms of people of religion. You'll see it in all their prayers and hymns and in what they tell their children. Do try to select the right target.