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Thread #150885   Message #3529863
Posted By: Don(Wyziwyg)T
24-Jun-13 - 02:17 PM
Thread Name: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, (London-May 2013)
Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
""What comments Don?
He swore by Allah and praised Him.
That is what Muslims do, and his religion is not disputed.
The strongest comment I have ever made is that "it could be argued" that the motive was purely religious.
It could be argued Don.
""

Do you even read what you post?

""It is propaganda.
He was grandstanding, not setting out his deeply held beliefs.""
""

1. Opinion not fact, unless you are telepathic!
2. Indisputably dismissing that there was any political motive with respect to Western actions in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Also:


Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 29 May 13 - 09:38 AM

"Jim, you objected to the suggestion that it was a crime of religion.
My point was that it is pretty much universally accepted as such, as now is the attack in Paris.
""

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 29 May 13 - 10:36 AM

attempt to pin these crimes as belonging to this or that particular brand of religion
""We don't.
The perps. and their supporters do.
Why should we not believe them?
""

Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 29 May 13 - 12:55 PM

Why not Keith - you get away with it
An individual like me might believably be deranged, but you can not dismiss a vast global movement as all afflicted.
You would have to be, er, a nutter Jim.

""They are acting on deeply held religious belief.
They believe they are doing the will of Allah, and expect to be rewarded by Allah.


Subject: RE: BS: Unarmed soldier killed, Woolwich (London)
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 29 May 13 - 04:08 PM

Are you claiming that all Muslims are terrorists
No.
- or are you claiming that active Muslim organisations are only involved in what they do because of religious conviction.
""No.

Am I claiming that active Islamist organisations are only involved in what they do because of religious conviction?
Yes. They say so.
Why should we heed you and ignore them Jim?
""

Not one instance of ""It could be argued"" in that lot. I have emphasised what you actually said, making clear your real position.

Lies are that simple to expose! Why do you keep doing it?

And what is the mindset which drives your pathological need to place the responsibility for such terrorist acts solely and entirely upon the religion of Islam and deny that the presence of foreign soldiers in Muslim countries has any bearing on the matter.

I have no less loathing for the acts and the perpetrators than you, but I am at least honest about the part that ill advised military adventures during the last decade have at the very least played a consideable role in sparking off the hatred which them.

This fact, for some reason best known to yourself, you simply will not acknowledge, as witness the above comments from you, ALL direct quotes, timed and dated.

Don T.