Musket.. and the usual other suspect. Pete & I have serious differences...I have been discussing/debating with him for maybe 2 years. It is, of course, unlikely that either of us is going to get major agreement from the other... and IF Pete had a login, I would carry on most of this by PMs. Because I think it's important to get my views clarified..whether anyone agrees with me or not... I try to set out MY side of things (which are in most ways identical to Steve's) so that Pete and others from the religious side at least 'get' my points. I have been assured by 2 different people who know him personally that Pete is a good, honest, serious person. If I did not think this was true, I would not bother.

I have made the point several times that nasty insults and ridicule never seems to help ANY discussion, but that continues. At a face-to-face public gathering, two people could just walk away and find a private spot...but in here it seems like some feel free to interject any level of sarcasm and insults.

IF Pete & do continue a discussion on another thread, I hope comments can be limited to facts and logic. You may continue your "new religion" here, though I doubt it will be half as much fun if few are reading....