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Thread #93508 Message #3532336
Posted By: Bill D
01-Jul-13 - 12:37 PM
Thread Name: BS: Is the Rapture Underway???
Subject: RE: BS: Is the Rapture Underway???
Well Pete...brief explanation:
It is not the matter of general "Christianity" being accepted, because of course, it is. I know many people who are believers in many different branches... from Catholics to Episcopalians to Mormons to Quakers. I do not know personally in my circle of friend or acquaintances, anyone who takes quite such a literal view as you... and the group you say 'educated' you.
To repeat part of my last post: "The reason so many...even myself... dispute your stance is that your current 'belief' refuses to treat new discoveries in science as useful unless you can make them fit your interpretation of one scripture among many."
It is one thing to make your basic belief that there must be some sort of Creative Force, and that there is some sort of Eternal Spiritual Principle 'out there' ...somehow. It is quite another to be sure that the details of *IT* and its opinions are clearly, accurately and universally quoted, clarified and binding on all mankind!
It is also a common thing to accept 'some' historical truth to the collection of texts called "the Bible". After all, known historical figures are mentioned. We know when King Herod lived. So... it 'may' be that there were actual historical persons behind the stories of Moses, Noah...and yes, Jesus. There are few records except the Bible to compare notes on.
My difficulty with your group's message is with a limited view of scientific data and refusal to deal with the discoveries OF science if they 'seem' to disagree with biblical dating and references. We have gone thru this several times in a couple of years. IF the precise view you hold were held by everyone...or even "widely held", it would
1)seriously restrict science from making its discoveries coherent. and 2)would cause enormous changes in how school textbooks were written and affect the very language of logic and the law. (it would take hours to give detailed explanations of this)
You say you wish to "share" your faith. In practice, many who hold your view wish to 'establish' it and embed it in the very laws and fabric of society. I think that much of this attitude comes from Matthew 4:19..."And He said to them, "Follow Me, and I will make you fishers of men." It sort of exhorts believers to "testify & convert" others... no matter what they believed...or did not believe before. In my view, any 'god' who wished his 'word' to be known to all men would not have entrusted the details to a few folk like Moses & Jesus over 2000 years ago.
Let me put it a bit stronger: to those who have a different 'belief'(Muslims, Buddhists, Quakers, Jains, etc...).. or NO belief, it is more or less and insult to be told that they 'should' give up their way of thinking. As I have mentioned before, I have had both Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses knock on my door and try to 'explain' to me why their details were better... and their details don't agree with each other!
Once more: An open mind requires one to follow data and reasoning wherever they lead, and NOT reject knowledge that fails to conform to one interpretation of one translation of one collection of writings from one area.
Does the seven stars pub have a dart board? In darts, the object is to try to make certain scores using various tactics. What would you think if someone just placed darts on a blank wall, then drew a target around them? That is a metaphor for what those in your narrow belief system seem to be doing.
I really do not wish for my science, my morals and my logic to have to conform to such a system.... and MOST belief systems, even in basic Christianity, agree with me.
There IS room to retain a basic belief in a god, a creator and a moral character without limiting one's views so drastically.