""Well with Shaw, it s more like

"Change your mind you !! It is true because I have thought about it and MY belief in my own opinion is not faith or belief it is science."""

Nothing could be further from a true representation of what Steve said.

In fact, it is much more redolent of the religious fundamentalist stance.

I don't know whether that asinine misrepresentation indicates a genuine misunderstanding on your part, or a deliberate choice of wilful ignorance.

His stance is based upon drawing conclusions from the results of overwhelming scientific evidence, evidence accepted by the vast majority of Christians insofar as it relates to evolution and the age of this planet.

Your stance is based upon your inability to stop picking at a sore that plagues you, over which you have no control, that there exist some people who simply don't believe as you do. So you, to justify your beliefs, find it necessary that they accept your categorisation of their position as an opposing faith.

Pete has a good brain, which he refuses to exercise, as doing so would destroy the fixed determination to believe that a book of fables, anecdotes and control mechanisms, laced with a very flimsy framework of historical events, is in every respect inerrant truth. Pete's brain has been thoroughly washed by some very clever evangelists, and no logical thought whatever is permitted therein.

Hence, he cannot ever approach any scientific treatise which does not come from his (non existent) ""Creation Scientists"", for fear of being contaminated by logic and reason.

Don T.