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Thread #150984   Message #3536461
Posted By: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
11-Jul-13 - 05:38 PM
Thread Name: BS: George Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
Bobert: "You are one of the most rabid Zimmerman defenders here... Any argument that might implicate your hero is met with reams and reams of rebuttal...

First of all, THE ABOVE is an outright LIE! you're getting as bad as Firth!
Show me a post where I defended Zimmerman!

Now to YOUR 'defense' of opinions, vs evidence...

Bobert: "Here's what we do know to be factual:

1. Zimmerman profiled Martin

Not a crime, and no proof that he did profile him. That is an assumption or opinion, which is not evidence.

2. Zimmerman called police

Not a crime, is it?

3. Zimmerman was told by the police to stay in his vehicle

True, and he should have stayed put..but, going against that advice is not a crime.

4. Zimmerman disobeyed police and got out of his vehicle with a gun

True, but not a crime.

5. Zimmerman followed Martin

True, but not a crime.

6. Zimmerman shot and killed Martin

True, but the circumstances are what the trial is about..if it was self defense, it's not a crime...if it was premeditated, AND PROVABLE, then that is a crime. So far, premeditation has not been proved.

Those events are not in dispute...

BULLSHIT!

Here's the defense's story about the events:

1. Martin attacked Zimmerman - Not likely... See Don T's comments on the size differential...

'Not likely' is what?? an opinion or wishful thinking? It is NOT evidence that was supported by the trial.
"See Don T's comments on the size differential..."
It only matters if he was a witness....so it's not evidence. You say you took martial arts..so did I AND taught it to a Sheriff's department, and two officers from a town within the county..and I got news for you, size matters little in martial arts...and you SHOULD know that!

2. Martin got Zimmerman down on the ground - Not likely... Again, the size differential makes that claim very doubtful

You might be right on that one, Zimmerman laid down and said 'Straddle me, and start slugging me'...and tell the eye-witness to watch!...'Not likely'??? ..then what did the eye-witness see?? Martin on top..You're 'not likely' is also no evidence..it is a very biased opinions, supported by NO ONE but your imagination...not by evidence!

3. Zimmerman was the one who screamed for "help" - Not likely... Someone yelled for "help", a shot was fired a second later and that voice was not heard again...

Except the eye witness said the guy on the bottom was calling and screaming for help!..The recorded calls on the cell phone could not be confirmed by anyone, to be entered into evidence

Here's what else we know:

1. Zimmerman lied in court when he was asked if he had money for his defense...

True...but that is a separate charge, and not relevant to the events leading up to the shooting.

2. Zimmerman lied in court about not having an understanding of Florida's "stand your ground" and "self defense" laws...

True...that's a perjury charge, not a murder charge...TWO different crimes.
(By the way, Holder has done some serious lying under oath too, but you don't seem to mind...and one of those lies led to the deaths of border patrol agents...but it gets a pass from you, right?

Here's where the court (judge) has made serious mistakes:

1. No gag order thus allowing Zimmerman's attorney free shot at poisoning the jury pool...

But President Obama didn't poison anything by saying Martin was like his son??? Shit, even Nixon got a lot of crap about his pre-trial comments about Charles Manson, but again, this president gets a pass, right??

2. Not permitting prosecution to present "expert witnesses" who were well versed in voice recognition technology...

They cancelled each other out, one was for the prosecution, one for the defense...then it turns out there was not enough time on the recording to make a determination, one way or the other...right?

3. Permitting a stream of Zimmerman's friends to testify that the voice on the tape was Zimmerman's...

..and Martins mom said it was Trayvon's...but the dad wasn't so sure, and put reasonable doubt on the mom's testimony. The prosecution opened up that can of worms by calling the mom to the stand FIRST. .in which case, it allows the defense to call theirs to rebut!

Bobert: "That pretty much sums up this case..."


That pretty much sums up this case...

Look, I'm NOT defending Zimmerman...as I've said ALL ALONG, it was acts of stupidity..on both their parts.

All I've done was address YOUR opinions, that are NOT evidence, just opinions, as to the law.
As I've said before. I DO NOT HAVE A PIG IN THIS RACE....my main concern, is that this doesn't spawn any more violence, and especially, any more violence spurred on by you, or anyone emotionalizing it for political leverage....

THAT'S ALL!
I do not want to hear about more whites shooting blacks because of them defending themselves, because some stupid, reckless idiot, whipped them up in a frenzy to attack each other..because those who do, would be an accomplice to whatever crimes comes out of it!

Also, you have not addressed the issue of Holder's DOJ sending people down to train them how to demonstrate.

..as Axelrod said, 'A good crisis is a terrible thing to waste'.

What a fucking shit head!

Care to address reality???

GfS