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Thread #150459   Message #3539826
Posted By: Little Hawk
20-Jul-13 - 05:05 PM
Thread Name: BS: Reflections on Religion and Atheism
Subject: RE: BS: Reflections on Religion and Atheism
Shimrod, where did I say you are required to worship anyone or anything? ;-) I do not say you are required to do that. If there is a God, in the sense of a universally existing consciousness or presence that informs and holds together everything right down to the atomic level, then I very much doubt it requires worship from anyone.

If it's there, then it just is what it is...like gravity is what it is. I don't worship gravity, and I'm not saying you should worship anything either. It helps us if we understand our relationship with gravity...and we do, hopefully...but we sure don't need to worship it...nor does it need to be worshipped.

You say that we can't prove (or disprove) that something exists if it's not a physically observable phenomenon.

Correct! Exactly. We can't. And that was my point. It's silly to think that people can prove or disprove the existence of God, and it's a waste of time to even try to, because God is not an observable phenomenon in the first place...nor are many other things that truly matter in our lives.

Don't ask the physical sciences to do what they are simply not equipped to do. It would be like asking a painter to open a complex lock by using his paint and a brush...nonsensical. You'd be using tools that don't in any way apply to the problem at hand.

If God exists, perception of God is an inner experience of consciousness, not an outward matter of observable phenomena, therefore the research lab isn't going to help you find God. (not saying you have to look for God, by the way...if it doesn't interest you to do so, that's fine with me).

Yes, thoughts have an effect on our nervous system...clearly! Religious experiences also appear to have an effect on our nervous system, because they are directly linked to our thoughts and our emotions...they provoke movements in thought and emotion, and that causes effects to the nervous system.

If you don't have such experiences yourself, then for you they remain hypothetical, and your reaction may be to deny even the possibility that such experiencies CAN happen...but you can't possibly know for sure unless you HAVE such an experience...and then you do know. If so, it cannot be proven, it can only be known BY having the experience. This is a personal matter, not a matter that can be investigated in a lab or by a committee, and that means that the bean-counters of this world have nothing useful to say about it, and probably have no interest in it either. They just want more BEANS to count! ;-) So, fine. If that's what people want, I won't tell them they shouldn't. To each his own.