I hear you Jack, But surely the point , Something will HAVE to be done!.....The present procedures are not working.

A 21% increase in MSM hiv infection rates in London between 2011 and 2012... and annual rises in the UK of 10% amongst MSM, simply cannot be allowed to contiue.   To say just carry on with a status quo which is patently useless, is not an option in a civilised society


Regarding Ian, I do not verbally abuse him, wish him dead,or use childish names. The most I have said about him personally is that he is a most "unpleasant fellow" to debate with, but I suppose other less civilised forums are full of such people and we should count ourselves lucky.

The worrying aspect is that someone as agenda driven as Ian, at some stage, appears to have had a position of some authority in our health services. I would like to see our health officials more concerned with saving lives and reducing disease, than furthuring their own socio/political ideology.