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Thread #151520   Message #3544045
Posted By: Jim Carroll
31-Jul-13 - 04:04 PM
Thread Name: Folklore/History: Irish Famine
Subject: RE: Folklore/History: Irish Famine
"So now I am a "clown" as well as a liar, a racist and an arsehole."
All four Keith - give that man a cigar.
You have an opportunity of absolve yourself from lying (but only on this thread - it is now habitual with you on this forum) by either qualifying or withdrawing your accusations of my suggesting censoring or suppressing and your claim of Coogan's support for the IRA, but as you will do none of these your lying stands.
"My observation about education was based solely on the quote, " the Free State government instructed history teachers that pupils should be 'imbued with ...."
She might have added, and possibly did, considering the few lines you've quoted, that all states, in certain circumstances produce a formula for teaching history which suits the given circumstances.
I was brought up to believe the British Empire was wonderful and entrepreneurs like Rhodes, Livingstone and Stanley were opening up Africa to civilise the savages, when in fact they were facilitating murderous exploitation.
I was vaguely aware of events like Amrisar, but I had to go and see the film Ghandi in order to learn about the massacre.
We were taught what 'them indoors' wanted us to know.
Ireland is a relatively new state - 91 years old , and still six counties short.
When it came into existence it was necessary to imbue the people with pride and self confidence after many centuries under the rule of a foreign power.
I find it excusable that they should extol the virtues of Davis (a poet and patriot who suffered and eventually gave his life for the cause of a free Ireland) and Pearse, a teacher and intellectual who died in an attempt (five years later to prove successful) to gain independence for his country.
"Poisoning children's minds with hatred has cost many lives and much misery and it still goes on" is purely your own invention and is typical of your hatred for anybody who opposes state terrorism and mass murder - be they 'Johnny Foreigner' or "loonie Leftie".
My knowledge of Irish education, what little it might be, is based on experiences of family members, many of whom received their education in Ireland and on long term and close association with teachers, including several headmasters - oh, and of living here for 15 years.
"We need to know who wrote it."
Can we be clear on this - "WE" don't need to know anything - once again you are alone in peddling a line supporting human rights atrocities - you don't read, or totally ignore information that is put up that doesn't suit your particular line.
For the benefit of anybody else who might be interested, as I pointed out, the Wiki entry is perfectly comparable with what she said in her Thomas Davis lecture and what she has written elsewhere - and what "the majority" of historians appear to believe.
Trevelyan described the Famine as "God's Punishment", the British Chancellor imposed a property tax on Landlords, great and small, which forced them to evict tenants in order either to survive or stay wealthy and the Government facilitated the eviction of over 300,000 families and destroyed their homes so they were forced in many cases to die on the roadside of starvation or disease. To make sure these evictions were carried out efficiently they even supplied armed police and soldiers to prevent opposition. WHAT MORE IS THERE TO SAY
Do you realise that you have nor once attempted to explain, or even refer to these evictions, which, on their own, qualify as mass murder - genocide even"?
Wiki invites people to add to or correct many of their articles, including this one - why not give them the benefit of your vast knowledge and experience - I'm sure they would be eternally grateful, and as impressed with you as we are!!!
Is Christine Kinealy a clown - no, she certainly isn't, but when her statements are taken, nibble-sized and out-of-context to her other writings to prove exactly the opposite to what she is saying, she becomes yet another victim of your agenda-driven crusades.
You have been given large chunks of what she wrote and said, alongside quotes from mainly British historians - and masses of official documentation from contemporaries who on the spot at the time - you have chosen to ignore all of them - why wouldn't you; that's what you do best.
Jim Carroll