I will deal with your points in nibble-sized bites so you can ignore them one by one and be seen to do so.
"Jim, if you did not object to my quoting the two historians, I am happy to be wrong but why the abuse"
You have accused both Mike and I of "objecting to your quoting from the two histories" - you owe both of us apologies for having done so and if it is not to hide the fact that you have ignored every single point put to you, an explanation of your continuing appallingly dishonest behavior here.
You have ignored every request to produce examples to back up your claims. and even now you leave your accusation open. "if you did not object to my quoting the two historian....."
Where is your evidence of my doing so - what are your grounds for making this suggestion - where at any time have either Mike and I ever "objected" to what anybody has written, where have either of us ever advocated "censorship" or "suppression of discussion" (you can take this entire forum for your examples)?
"but why the abuse?"
If there is any "abuse" it is based on the fact that you have persistently ignored the points that have been made, you have persistently misrepresented what others have said (please - please ask me to provide examples), and you have denied ever making any accusations (want me to cut-'n paste where you have done this?)
You have dismissed every single point in opposition to your 'line', you have ignored virtually every piece of evidence that doesn't back you up as being as being "republican", "nationalist, "revisionist", "going against what all modern historians believe" and "80 years out-of-date", and now you are claiming you are only "putting both sides of the debate".. You are the only one arguing the line you are peddling here and you have dismissed out of hand every other point of view that is not coincide with your own.
You continue accuse us of accepting the "nationalist line" even though you have produced no evidence that this line, which is accepted by virtually all historians, is in any way "nationalist"
I can't speak for others, but if you have any basis for your claims of "suppression" or "censorship" - both of which you have denied making, "I have not and do not accuse you of anything." please present them now or withdraw them with an apology.
You might add to my annoyance that you have just been presented with a whole posting of facts which you have ignored a number of fully accepted, documented facts ""the government supported eviction of 109,000 families......." (02 Aug 13 - 12:18 PM)
You refuse to respond to these facts and you will continue to refuse to respond to these facts - which is fine, that you continue to do so merely underlines your total lack of evidence - you have not made a case and you will continue not to make a case.
Now, my nationalism, revisionism, support for republicanism, my and Mike's advocating suppression and censorship....
and everything you have accused me/us of and denied having done so - or a withdrawal and apology - neither of which I expect, which, as I say, speaks for itself.
Jim Carroll