You continue accuse us of accepting the "nationalist line" even though you have produced no evidence that this line, which is accepted by virtually all historians, is in any way "nationalist"

I did not create the terms for the 2 versions.
I use them because they are understood and accepted by historians.
The difference is the degree of blame given.
You make clear that you do blame.

Doc K told us, with evidence, that revisionism is the dominant view of historians.
Why should we not believe her Jim.

If you really did not mind my quoting 2 historians, what have we been arguing about since my first post?
That was my only contribution?

Please do not keep asking me about historical events.
I leave that to the experts.

SJL, amen to that.
I am sorry that this discussion became an argument.
I have tried to post with respect and serious points only.
No abuse and name calling from me.